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Post by sl0e 1st February 2009, 14:09

Dakle, skoro sam naisao na zanimljiv tekst koji se tice ogrebotina na Frusciante-ovoj gitari :)

Da ne bih mucio sebe prevodjenjem, samo cu copy/paste-ovati tekst

1) Here's a picture of his guitar when it was "new", when he got it. Probably from 98, 99, maybe later. Notice how small the pick scratch (1) is, in comparision to what it looks like now. In fact, the only flaw is that scratch, exept some tiny, tiny marks (2) at the bottom cutaway.
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2) OK, so here we got the guitar around the BTW-era, probably 2002-2003. The pick scratches (1) are getting bigger and bigger, and the guitar's bottom is getting more and more abused. The 2- and 3-scratches are getting more evident, but notice how colour has disappeared around the put-your-cable-here-hole. Maybe because John have been really peckish for playing at the middle of the night, 15 beers later, hard to find the input?
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3) My favourite part: the guitar (almost) right now.

1. The pick scratches is unbelievible big. An interesting thing, is that John is using a really soft pick, .060 mm but despite that, the marks has been that big. Hmm..
2, 3 & 4. These marks has turned even bigger through the years. Okay okay, a battered guitar is really cool and that's what I dream about, but if I had a guitar that cost 50000000000000000$, that was from 1962 and that probably would be impossible to find again, I would have been very careful about it - but those marks doesn't appear by normal playing.
5. The input marks are even bigger. Very interesting - I don't think they can be that big by missing the input and who is missing the input? Interesting, as I said.
6. Friction from clothes, arms etc. will result in marks like that.
7. The same as 2, 3 & 4 - that mark has been even bigger as well. Actually I think John has hit his guitar into something really hard sometime - not by diligence though.
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Post by Charlie`From`Stadium 1st February 2009, 14:18

Zanimljivo ... ali ja nemam nikakvu dilemu da je na ogrebotinama radio planski kako bi
guitara imala taj epic look :) hehe John !
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Post by The Whistler 1st February 2009, 14:22

A cuj, covjek svira sto sati dnevno, ako gitaru ima 10 godina ko sto kazes (ja stvarno neznam, ne pratim), cudo da ne izgleda i gore :)

A vjecito ju nosi sa sobom, bar koliko sam ja skuzila. Ne razumijem se u gitare bash doduse...
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Post by Charlie`From`Stadium 1st February 2009, 14:24

The pick scratches (1) jednostavno nije moguche ...

a pogledaj te vertikalne
strafte na The pick scratches (1)

:)
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Post by sl0e 1st February 2009, 14:27

Ne, ali pazi, to nisu ogrebotine, recimo, ovo na zadnjoj slici, sto je zaokruzeno kao 1, to su vise rezovi. Keo da je sekao necim, ili sta vec :) Kapiram da tu mogu da nastanu ogrebotine od trzalice, ali ovo kao dletom da je svirao, a ne tankim plasticnim trzalicama :op: :)

Sve ostale ogrebotine su normalne osim te velike...


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Post by Charlie`From`Stadium 1st February 2009, 14:30

haha to i ja mislim samo shto se dlet vidi i tamo na The pick scratches (1)

jednostavno je zeleo biti vise cool :) kao malo dete :) ali dobro meni to ne kvari puno u vezi Johna svi smo mi takvi :)

dobro pazi to mu je neko radio ... ne verujem da je sam ... ali ima tu svachega po meni ...
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Post by sl0e 1st February 2009, 14:39

Ma, sve u svemu, ubio bih za takvog strat-a :) ... Voleo bih kada bi Fender uradio John Frusciante signature model. Verujem da bih ga pazario ako bi mi odgovarao sto se tice vrata :)
Ako nista drugo, imam ovo moje 62 reizdanje, pa da udarim sa cekicem i dletom, relic-ujem isto ovako :)
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Post by Charlie`From`Stadium 1st February 2009, 14:40

Majko mila a shta da prodash bubreg ili srce :) hehe
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Post by sl0e 2nd February 2009, 00:08

Pa ne verujem da bi ta gitara bila nesto posebno skupa. U svakom slucaju izmedju 1500 i 1800 evra, sto je sasvim ok, jer se tako krecu cene ostalih signature gitara :)
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Post by Charlie`From`Stadium 2nd February 2009, 00:54

znam ali to je posebno skupo.
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Post by SpigotBlister 2nd February 2009, 01:37

Te ogrebotine na John-ovoj gitari su prave posto sam nesto procitao da je neko reko kako je to namerno napravljeno. Dobro obratite paznju u skoro svakom John-ovom intervju-u, uvek kad ga pitaju nesto vezano za gitaru i sviranje on ima odgovori kako skoro po ceo dan svira gitaru i slusa razne cd-e i pokusava biti sto je moguce bolji gitarist svakog dana. Mene uopste ne chudi da gitara tako izgleda ako svira recimo 7 sati na dan sto je bilo normalno za claptona hendrixa i ostale velike gitariste.
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Post by Charlie`From`Stadium 2nd February 2009, 01:41

Tachnije svirao je po 16 sati dnevno ... znamo to i ja i Sloe ali jednostavno nije izvodljivo ....

Ja ne sumnjam da on ludachki mnogo svira ... ali jednostavno nije izvodljivo

The pick scratches (1) jednostavno chovek je lepo analizirao i rezonovao ali i da
nije ja bih isto primtio ....

The pick scratches (1) jednostavno nije moguche ... previse je ochigldno josh te strafte ...

The pick scratches is unbelievible big. An interesting thing, is that John is using a really soft pick, .060 mm but despite that, the marks has been that big. Hmm.

ali i sa najgrubljim trzalicama ne bi onako ono ispalo !

ali dobro ne rushi se ceo svet zbog toga niti slika o Johnu on je samo kao i svi mi ... svi to rade ... moderno ...
gledao sam na youtube tutorijale kako da ovo napravish od guitare ... ljudi se time bave profesionalno ...
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Post by SpigotBlister 2nd February 2009, 01:50

daj mi link za taj tutorial pravim odma to :)
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Post by Charlie`From`Stadium 2nd February 2009, 01:53

samo min sada chu ti dati link od jednog sajta zaprepastichesh se :) odo da potrazim ...
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Post by Charlie`From`Stadium 2nd February 2009, 02:02

e sad chesh tek videti da to sami rade :)


How To Relic A Guitar



Kiselina, grebanje namerno rdjanje guitare postoji i sajt gde neki lik pravi chuda sa njima ...
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Post by sl0e 2nd February 2009, 04:18

Ja bih samo da dodam da ne vredi pokusavati relic-ovati novije gitare koje na sebi imaju poliuretansku boju. Slojevi poliuretanskog laka su prilicno debeli (which is why ja ne volim novije gitare) i mogu se zagrebati samo nekim metalnim predmetom.

Za relic-ovanje, tj proces o kome pricate gore, vam treba gitara koja na sebi ima nitro-celulozni lak, koji se nanosi u tankom sloju, pa ga je mnogo lakse skinuti. Sa nitro lakom i same gitare lakse "disu" i imaju mnogo bolji zvuk (naravno, o ovoj temi se vode bitke na raznim forumima, tako da moje reci ne uzimajte za konacne).

Naravno, treba napomenuti da vrlo malo gitara danas ima lakove kao recimo John-ov strat. Fender gitare su tih godina na sebi imale iskljucivo nitro lak. Danas se to isto radi samo na skupljim modelima gitara (1500+ usd), uglavnom zbog toga zato sto je nitro lak vrlo skup danas, bojenje instrumenata se radi u posebnim fabrickim postrojenjima, a i nitro lak je sam po sebi vrlo otrovan.

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Samo da dodam - evo close-up slike te ogrebotine
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Post by Charlie`From`Stadium 2nd February 2009, 04:31

sl0e expert ! :) hehe

Ja sam to mogao i naslutiti ... ali ne planiram da to radim sa guitarom :)

Mislim da SpigotBlister zeli to da chini sa guitarom mada ... ja ne bih imao hrabrosti :)
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Post by Charlie`From`Stadium 2nd February 2009, 04:33

Nego mene interesuje da li ikako mozemo saznati
ko je bio predhodni vlasnik Johnovog strata :)
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Post by sl0e 2nd February 2009, 04:39

Hm... Vrlo tesko. Koliko sam ja upucen, John je mesec dana tragao za novom gitarom, dok u Guitar Centar u LA-u nije stigao taj strat koga su mu kupili Flea i Anthony.
Guitar Centar inace vec godinama sirom Amerike otkupljuje vintage instrumente i preprodaje ih, tako da je misterija kome je pripadao John-ov strat. Verovatno nekom nesretniku koji je prodao tu gitaru da bi kupio novu korvetu ili tako nesto :)
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Post by Charlie`From`Stadium 2nd February 2009, 04:41

hm ... slazem se ali mozda je kasnije mogao prepoznati taj neko ... ehemm :)
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Post by sl0e 2nd February 2009, 04:47

Definitivno ima ljudi koji su kasnije prepoznali svoje gitare. Nije ni cudo, John je u zadnjih 10-12 godina kupio ogroman broj vintage gitara.
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Post by Charlie`From`Stadium 2nd February 2009, 05:17

Uh i ja sam shvatio ta ih ima milion :)
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Post by 4815162342 7th June 2009, 10:58

sto bi voleo ja svoju gitaru unistiti ovako,hehe,ali treba znati i unistavati kao john...
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Post by Charlie`From`Stadium 7th June 2009, 11:05

imas uputstva po netu kako se to radi :)
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Post by 4815162342 7th June 2009, 11:09

hehe super,bas cu videti i da li je moguce tehnicki ispravno :P
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Post by chili_tapper 7th June 2009, 12:45

e a da nije John samo rashpao nokte,ha??..ono poliranje,ureðivanje...hahahah...ok osobno vise volim gibsona(♥les paul..mmm♥)..al ova johnova je apsolutno legendarna!!!...i bas mi nekako objedinjuje pepperse jer su je birali anth i flea,a john ju svira..(ok a chad je recimo sjedio u kavani i cekao da ovi izabreru gitaru za johna i tako sudjelovao u kupnji...hehhehe)..i naravno proizvodi,nama mislozvuène tonove na èemu sam nadasve zahvalna... :)
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Post by RHCP_MAN 8th June 2009, 08:12

...ne dao mu Bog da unistava White Falcona :D
mada vidim da ga je batalio u poslednje vreme :/
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Post by Negative Creep 8th June 2009, 08:41

bash mu je motjna gitara, a sigurno ima neki znachaj njemu.
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Post by Funkomat 19th June 2009, 02:39

sl0e wrote:Ne, ali pazi, to nisu ogrebotine, recimo, ovo na zadnjoj slici, sto je zaokruzeno kao 1, to su vise rezovi. Keo da je sekao necim, ili sta vec :) Kapiram da tu mogu da nastanu ogrebotine od trzalice, ali ovo kao dletom da je svirao, a ne tankim plasticnim trzalicama :op: :)

Sve ostale ogrebotine su normalne osim te velike...

Sloe, brate, ti bi mogao da znas da su to sasvim normalne ogrebotine. :)
Svi znamo da John i nije bas najprecizniji i najnezniji gitarista a i ne koristi bas toliko tanke trzalice...

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Post by Charlie`From`Stadium 19th June 2009, 02:42

dobrodoshao charlie

ja mislim da nema teorije da su sve ogrebotine na guitari nastale sluchajno.
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